Sorry folks. just my little experiment to see how quickly some folks might respond to a slight against their accepted thinking, but refuse to concede to Bible truths which highlight 'given' false reasonings.
The Searcher
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For Bethelites & Gileadites Only
by The Searcher in"who really is the faithful and discreet slave".... (matt.
when discussing john 1:1 with trinitarians, we always refer to the original greek, and inform them that the verse speaks of the word being 'a' god, not 'the' god, because the definite article 'ho' is not used in his case.
when discussing john 1:1 with trinitarians, we always refer to the original greek, and inform them that the verse speaks of the word being 'a' god, not 'the' god, because the definite article 'ho' is not used in his case.
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For Bethelites & Gileadites Only
by The Searcher in"who really is the faithful and discreet slave".... (matt.
when discussing john 1:1 with trinitarians, we always refer to the original greek, and inform them that the verse speaks of the word being 'a' god, not 'the' god, because the definite article 'ho' is not used in his case.
when discussing john 1:1 with trinitarians, we always refer to the original greek, and inform them that the verse speaks of the word being 'a' god, not 'the' god, because the definite article 'ho' is not used in his case.
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"Who really is the faithful and discreet slave".... (Matt. 24:45)
Should we not then use 'a' instead of 'the' at Matthew 24:45, as some other translations do?
Because the definite article isn't in that verse either, and changing it to 'a' puts the verse in a totally different light!
Comfortingly, the Scriptures (without any ambiguity when speaking of "slaves") clearly show that all who wish to serve Jehovah and exercise faith in His son's ransom, are regarded as slaves. There are not two classes of slave, only one! Reason on this single example of "slaves",
" For the kingdom of God does not mean eating and drinking, but [means] righteousness and peace and joy with holy spirit. For he who in this regard slaves for Christ is acceptable to God and has that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit, and not in the old sense by the written code." (Rom. 14:17,18)
then using your CD ROM and your reasoning abilities, research all the occurences of "slave" & "slaves".
The Christian Greek Scriptures were not written "primarily for those with the heavenly hope", and you know it!
"Who really is a faithful and discreet slave?"
When discussing John 1:1 with trinitarians, we always refer to the original Greek, and inform them that the verse speaks of the Word being 'a' god, not 'the' God, because the definite article 'ho' is not used in his case. (the)
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For Bethelites & Gileadites Only
by The Searcher in"who really is the faithful and discreet slave".... (matt.
when discussing john 1:1 with trinitarians, we always refer to the original greek, and inform them that the verse speaks of the word being 'a' god, not 'the' god, because the definite article 'ho' is not used in his case.
when discussing john 1:1 with trinitarians, we always refer to the original greek, and inform them that the verse speaks of the word being 'a' god, not 'the' god, because the definite article 'ho' is not used in his case.
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"Who really is the faithful and discreet slave".... (Matt. 24:45)
When discussing John 1:1 with trinitarians, we always refer to the original Greek, and inform them that the verse speaks of the Word being 'a' god, not 'the' God, because the definite article 'ho' is not used in his case. (the)When discussing John 1:1 with trinitarians, we always refer to the original Greek, and inform them that the verse speaks of the Word being 'a' god, not 'the' God, because the definite article 'ho' is not used in his case. (the)
Should we not then use 'a' instead of 'the' at Matthew 24:45, as some other translations do?
Because the definite article isn't in that verse either, and changing it to 'a' puts the verse in a totally different light!
Comfortingly, the Scriptures (without any ambiguity when speaking of "slaves") clearly show that all who wish to serve Jehovah and exercise faith in His son's ransom, are regarded as slaves. There are not two classes of slave, only one! Reason on this single example of "slaves",
" For the kingdom of God does not mean eating and drinking, but [means] righteousness and peace and joy with holy spirit. For he who in this regard slaves for Christ is acceptable to God and has that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit, and not in the old sense by the written code." (Rom. 14:17,18)
then using your CD ROM and your reasoning abilities, research all the occurences of "slave" & "slaves".
The Christian Greek Scriptures were not written "primarily for those with the heavenly hope", and you know it!
"Who really is a faithful and discreet slave?"
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Desperately Need the Watchtower April 15th 2008 Study Edition PDF
by God_Delusion inhowdy guys & gals,.
it would be greatly appreciated if anyone can provide me with a link to download the watchtower april 15th 2008 study edition pdf.. it just so happens that it's one of the most in your face brainwashing watchtower magazine articles i've ever read.. so if anyone can send it over to me, please do.. .
love,.
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"The aged apostle John gave fine counsel in this regard. (Read 1 John 4:1 - Read it, Read it!! ) In harmony with John’s counsel, we always encourage those we meet in the preaching work to test what they have been taught by comparing it with the Bible. That is a good rule for us too. If any statements come to our ears that are critical of the truth or that cast aspersions on the congregation, the elders, or any of our brothers,(but not Bible truths!!!) we do not accept them at face value."
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Are some better off not knowing the truth of the truth?
by EndofMysteries ini hate my situation.
a very close relative is remarried to a man who before becoming a jw was a shady character.
he has said if he wasn't a jw, he'd have guns and stuff, always worried about things.
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@ cyberjesus - 100% right; if people want the truth, they'll dig a bit deeper till they find it!
@ endof mysteries - You have to exercise a lot of caution; I know exactly how I felt as I progressively found one real Bible truth after another - in a state of shock and bewilderment.
"How could I not have seen this before" soon changed to, "Why only me, and 7.5 million others can't see this?"
Now when I attend meetings, I'm 'as cautious as a serpent and innocent as a dove'. I only give clear, truthful, & simple (sometimes subtle) Bible answers, which no 'appointed' man would have the courage/stupidity to come and speak to me about it. If they did, my reply would be, "the authority is the Bible - do you have a problem with that?".
A wonderful example; I was discussing with a couple (someone else's Bible Study) the Bible example of Ruth.
I related to them Ruth's background of being a Moabitess - a pagan god worshipper. Then I told them how she wanted to serve Jehovah, and the outcome was that she married a faithful Jew called Boaz, and she became an ancestress of Jesus Christ the Messiah.
Then I planted the truth seed - I asked them if they thought that Ruth would always be viewed by the other Jews as an 'alien resident', or would she have become fully Jewish and 100% party to the Law Covenant?
The couple both agreed that to produce the Messiah, she must have been accepted as a full member of God's nation!
Why can't brothers and sisters see that 'alien residents' at the foot of Mount Sinai, became natural Israelites through their acceptance of the terms and conditions of the Mosaic Law?
To deny this clear truth, imputes corruption of the Messianic line of Judah thanks to Rahab & Ruth!!
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DO research!! Sorry, DON'T do Research!! 'New Light!'
by The Searcher inshould we examine our bible beliefs?
according to the exhortation given by the governing body, the answer is a deafening, 'yes!!'.
w91 4/8 p. 23 - "test your beliefs against gods word.
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Should we examine our Bible beliefs? According to the exhortation given by the Governing Body, the answer is a deafening, 'Yes!!'
Here it is;
w91 4/8 p. 23 - "Test your beliefs against God’s Word. Honest self-examination, comparing your beliefs with the Scriptures, will help you determine if your faith will pass the all-important test of God’s approval."
w01 4/15 p. 21 - "Thus, true Christians do not need to look to any human as the source of inspired revelation. They are careful not to ‘make the word of God invalid’ because of human tradition."
w64 4/1 p. 195 - " How can you put your religion to the test? By using the Bible as your measuring rod. That is the rule beside which you can put the doctrines and practices of your religion to see if they measure up to God’s standards. Extremely helpful, too, is the discussing of Bible doctrine and religious practice with those who have made a serious study of the Bible—Jehovah’s witnesses."
Jesus and Jehovah never contradicted themselves, so why do those who claim to be directed by God, contradict themselves,andGod's Word?????
km 9/07 p. 3 Question Box - "Does "the faithful and discreet slave" endorse independent groups of Witnesses who meet together to engage in Scriptural research or debate?"—Matt. 24:45, 47. - "No, it does not."
Doesn't Almighty God commend the Beroeans for doing so? (Acts 17:11)
Doesn't Almighty God command us to do so ? (1 John 4:1)
Weren't false teachers going to arise from amongst us, so how would we be able to identify them? For all we know, the ones telling us not to examine what we believe, could be the very ones we were warned about!! (Matt. 24:24; 1 Tim. 4:1; 2 Thess. 2:4) Truth does not fear examination, it welcomes it!!
Shame on anyone who tries to intimidate true Christians from searching into "the deep things of God". They sin against the Spirit.
"We must obey God as ruler, rather than men
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Faithful Slave Doctrine Implies Christ Has Arrived!
by The Searcher ini would appreciate any active fellow witness giving their explanation about the following contradiction, or better still, tell me what it is that i'm missing - because the following assertion, by definition, demands that christ has already arrived.
but aren't we always being reminded to 'keep on the watch' and to 'stay awake' for our master's arrival?.
i must have missed it, because according to the following, he's already settled accounts!.
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I would appreciate any active fellow Witness giving their explanation about the following contradiction, or better still, tell me what it is that I'm missing - because the following assertion, by definition, demands that Christ has already arrived. But aren't we always being reminded to 'Keep on the watch' and to 'Stay awake' for our Master's arrival?
I must have missed it, because according to the following, he's already settled accounts!
w09 2/15 p. 26 par. 9 They "Keep Following the Lamb" - "Moreover, Jesus Christ has appointed the faithful and discreet slave "over all his belongings"—all Kingdom interests on earth." (Matt. 24:47)
(Matthew 24:45-47) "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings."
Brothers & sisters, "Test the inspired expressions" - if you don't, then you only have yourself to blame!
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Who are Anointed according to the Bible?
by The Searcher inacording to the bible, who are "anointed" in god's eyes?.
the term 'anointed' occurs in the greek scriptures.
in all but one of the verses, they refer to jesus.
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Acording to the Bible, who are "anointed" in God's eyes?
The term 'anointed' occurs in the Greek Scriptures. In all but one of the verses, they refer to Jesus. In the remaining verse, it applies to Christ's disciples. (2 Corinthians 1:21)
The term 'anointing' occurs 3 times in the Greek Scriptures. (1 John2:20,27) All three verses refer to the disciples of Christ.
".................we belong to Christ and he who has anointed us is God."
(2 Corinthians 1:20)"And YOU have an anointing from the holy one; all of YOU have knowledge"; "And as for YOU, the anointing that YOU received from him remains in YOU, and YOU do not need anyone to be teaching YOU; but, as the anointing from him is teaching YOU about all things, and is true and is no lie, and just as it has taught YOU, remain in union with him."
(1 John 2:20,27)John the Baptist said, "I baptized YOU with water, but he will baptize YOU with holy spirit."
(Mark 1:8)The Apostle Peter added further evidence, "At this I called to mind the saying of the Lord, how he used to say, ‘John, for his part, baptized with water, but YOU will be baptized in holy spirit', God gave the same free gift to them as he also did to us who have believed upon the Lord Jesus Christ" (Acts 11:16,17)
"For truly by one spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink one spirit."
(1 Corinthians 12:13)What were Jesus' very last words to his disciples before he returned to heaven? "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit." (Matthew 28:19)
There are some who maintain that every Christian up to 1935 C.E. were part of the 144,000 heavenly hope. Nowhere in the Christian Greek Scriptures is there even a hint that everyone who believed in Jesus was automatically chosen to be in heaven with him.
In 1935, 52,465 Witnesses partook of the Memorial emblems, indicating that they had the heavenly hope. Therefore, only 91,535 genuine Christians existed during the previous 1902 years??
"Test the inspired expressions to see if they originate with God".
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To all Witnesses - Are you a Brother or a Sister, or just a Publisher?
by The Searcher ini've been associated with several congregations, and the one thing which is common to them all is this - the preaching work is the foremost thing we are told to focus on.
(matt.
6:33 is always used to reinforce this direction).
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I've been associated with several congregations, and the one thing which is common to them all is this - the preaching work is the foremost thing we are told to focus on. (Matt. 6:33 is always used to reinforce this direction)
I'd like to ask all my fellow Witnesses who have had the courage/strength to view this & other websites, two questions;
1) Every month, how many hours do you spend in first call, return visits, and Bible Studies? (probably commendable)
2) What percentage of all that time did you allocate to visiting widows, sick, and elderly in your congregation?
The point I want to make is this; we spend so much time trying to get "new ones" into our "spiritual paradise", but once they are baptized, they can be easily forgotten about. I have seen it in the past, and I see it now - vulnerable ones left to deal with health/day-day problems on their own, and not an elder in sight, let alone R&F. (I have spoken with such ones)
Scriptures to ponder on;
(John 13:35) "By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves."
(1 Corinthians 12:25) "Its members should have the same care for one another. "
(2 Corinthians 6:13) "So, as a recompense in return—I speak as to children—YOU, too, widen out."
Searching for new ones is pointless if we ignore/abandon our existing brothers & sisters.
(Galatians 6:10) "Really, then, as long as we have time favorable for it, let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to [us] in the faith."
(Galatians 6:10) "Really, then, as long as we have time favorable for it, let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to [us] in the faith."
Searching for new ones is pointless if we ignore/abandon our existing brothers & sisters.
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"I don't really care Dad, I will just go with what they say"!
by AnonJW inthat is what my son said to me this morning during a further discussion on yesterdays wt study, and upon learning that the 1978 light is back.. i can only blame myself.
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@ ANONJW
I can empathise to a certain extent with you.
Since coming to realise that various of our teachings and practices are contrary to what the Bible really teaches, I have tried very tactfully to discuss certain things with those closest to me in the congregation. (3 or 4)
Sadly their responses have been very similar to my fleshly sister - "let's not talk about these things, just wait and see". The G.B. is so revered by many, that whatever is stated in the literature is viewed as Bible truth - because "they are Christ's brothers, and we are not".
What most of our brothers and sisters can't/won't reason on, is the fact that "the food at the proper time" is not produced by "heavenly-hopers", it is generated by the thinking abilities of ones who have an earthly hope!! There may well be a "heavenly-hoper" overseeing or reviewing the material, but they do not produce it.
Ask your son to give you his Bible-based reasoning on these three Scriptures, in logical order -
1 Peter 4:17 ; Revelation 2:21,22; and 2 Thessalonians 2:4.
If he tries to explain it using literature - tell him No! He must reason on God's word.
He has to realise for himself that our faith is based on our Leader, Christ Jesus - not an 'organization'.